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Wednesday, May 9, 2007
3:03 PM
The Harlot Babylon (The City) and the False Prophet can be seen as metaphors for thinking the mind can approach God, when it is God who approaches the mind. (Whether we think that when our "god sense" neurons are stimulated or not does not bear on the question of whether there really is a god out there.)
Mary Magdelene was not said to be a prostitute, only to have been afflicted. So regardless of what she may have been to J, that's a bunch of crap, so shut up about the apostles, dufus. And even if she were, she was still worthy of redemption in J's eyes.
King Solomon wrote to his son urging him to not let prostitutes reduce him to a loaf of bread, because the spirit is something far more profound than the tool of economics... and to "make all his fountains his own" until he was married... does that mean King Solomon was telling his son to jerk off until he found the right girl?
But if Solomon was Israel's most regal king, and prostitutes were out there, he could have put a stop to them with force of law, but he did not.
The real question is, why is life so expensive that so many women are driven to prostitution? Seems like the only kind you can get anymore.
The point is, offer women a way out of economic and sexual slavery, but don't blame them for being human, and don't treat them like they are not human beings.
(please see comment for a scriptural analysis... gotta love the SWORD.)
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Dare I say, that I only caught a few things in the Bible that dealt with prostitution, and none of them cast bad judgment on individual specific people who were prostitutes. (Except one, but that was un-done by J at the stoning of the adultress.)The Harlot Babylon (The City) and the False Prophet can be seen as metaphors for thinking the mind can approach God, when it is God who approaches the mind. (Whether we think that when our "god sense" neurons are stimulated or not does not bear on the question of whether there really is a god out there.)
Mary Magdelene was not said to be a prostitute, only to have been afflicted. So regardless of what she may have been to J, that's a bunch of crap, so shut up about the apostles, dufus. And even if she were, she was still worthy of redemption in J's eyes.
King Solomon wrote to his son urging him to not let prostitutes reduce him to a loaf of bread, because the spirit is something far more profound than the tool of economics... and to "make all his fountains his own" until he was married... does that mean King Solomon was telling his son to jerk off until he found the right girl?
But if Solomon was Israel's most regal king, and prostitutes were out there, he could have put a stop to them with force of law, but he did not.
The real question is, why is life so expensive that so many women are driven to prostitution? Seems like the only kind you can get anymore.
The point is, offer women a way out of economic and sexual slavery, but don't blame them for being human, and don't treat them like they are not human beings.
(please see comment for a scriptural analysis... gotta love the SWORD.)
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Judah is full of anger at first and says Tamar should be burned, but then his heart is softened and he does not. (Genesis 38)
The Bible speaks against "playing the prostitute" after false gods, mediums and psychics, etc. and speaks of this spiritual prostitution as a sin in many places, but though physical tends to lead to that, this is not the same thing, it is a prostitution of the soul, which is a grave offense.
But it seems to place the blame on real prostitution upon child abuse: "Don’t profane your daughter, to make her a prostitute; lest the land fall to prostitution, and the land become full of wickedness." (Leviticus 19:29).
Priests are not supposed to marry prostitutes and daughters of priests are not supposed to become prostitutes. (Leviticus 21:7,9,14)
One should not "play the prostitute" after the senses, because they lie. (Num 15:39).
Deuteronomy proscribes death for premarital sex but Jesus urged us to get over it, that only he who has never sinned should cast the first stone, and said all may return to God.
Rahab the prostitute aided the servants of Joshua, and her family alone was saved, with no judgment of guilt upon her. "She lived in the midst of Israel to this day, because she hid the messengers, whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho."
Jephthah was cast out for being the son of a prostitute, but then they made him chief. (Judges 11:1)
Samson went and got some. (Judges 16:1)
An man's concubine "played the prostitute against him" but then he appeared to forgive her, but to protect himself he gave up the concubine to a gang of rapists and when she was dead, he went crazy and cut her into pieces and sent the pieces to all the tribes. The tribes got together and warred for justice for the concubine in the name of Yahweh. (Judges 19:2)
The women whose child Solomon threatened to divide were prostitutes, but Solomon does not condemn them for being so. (I Kings 3:16)
Generally, "playing the prostitute" is a bad thing, but scripture always places the blame on people other than the women themselves. (II Chronicles 21:13 and others)
Proverbs 6:26: "There are six things which Yahweh hates; yes, seven which are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood; a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and he who sows discord among brothers."
We are to seek steadfastness against prostitution, lest we fall into sin (Proverbs 7) but that is a matter of faith and the heart. She lies in wait like a robber (Proverbs 23:27) but even robbers were worthy of redemption on the cross, and so are prostitutes (Jeremiah 3:1).
I always have trouble figuring out what Isaiah means (23:15-18) but he does group adulterers and prostitutes with the world of unbridled sexuality that leads to prostitution of the soul to false gods.
In Jeremiah, Yahweh speaks to Israel figuratively as a prostitute, and probably literally too, but he always takes her back in the end. Again in Ezekiel, he gave Israel everything, then she prostituted herself. But rich, metaphorical Israel is not the same thing as a woman with no job and no education, no man, and kids to feed.
God commands Hosea to go out and love an adultress who had been loved by another. (Hosea 3:3) Hosea further sees prostitution as the consequence of unfaithfulness to god, not its cause (4:13).
"Most certainly I tell you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering into the Kingdom of God before you." Matthew 21:31.
The prodigal son wasted all his money with prostitutes, but was welcomed back. (Luke 15:30)
I Corinthians edicts against male prostitutes. It says your life and soul would be better off if you were not a prostitute. Well, that's pretty obvious, and that's not in question.
"In like manner wasn’t Rahab the prostitute also justified by works, in that she received the messengers, and sent them out another way?" (James 2:25)
Again, the "great prostitute" or mother of prostitutes in Revelation is not an individual person but a spiritual force. Offer people a way out of the grip of that spiritual force, but don't judge them for being human.
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USChristianDemocrats.org editor : May 9, 2007 7:47 PM
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The Bible speaks against "playing the prostitute" after false gods, mediums and psychics, etc. and speaks of this spiritual prostitution as a sin in many places, but though physical tends to lead to that, this is not the same thing, it is a prostitution of the soul, which is a grave offense.
But it seems to place the blame on real prostitution upon child abuse: "Don’t profane your daughter, to make her a prostitute; lest the land fall to prostitution, and the land become full of wickedness." (Leviticus 19:29).
Priests are not supposed to marry prostitutes and daughters of priests are not supposed to become prostitutes. (Leviticus 21:7,9,14)
One should not "play the prostitute" after the senses, because they lie. (Num 15:39).
Deuteronomy proscribes death for premarital sex but Jesus urged us to get over it, that only he who has never sinned should cast the first stone, and said all may return to God.
Rahab the prostitute aided the servants of Joshua, and her family alone was saved, with no judgment of guilt upon her. "She lived in the midst of Israel to this day, because she hid the messengers, whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho."
Jephthah was cast out for being the son of a prostitute, but then they made him chief. (Judges 11:1)
Samson went and got some. (Judges 16:1)
An man's concubine "played the prostitute against him" but then he appeared to forgive her, but to protect himself he gave up the concubine to a gang of rapists and when she was dead, he went crazy and cut her into pieces and sent the pieces to all the tribes. The tribes got together and warred for justice for the concubine in the name of Yahweh. (Judges 19:2)
The women whose child Solomon threatened to divide were prostitutes, but Solomon does not condemn them for being so. (I Kings 3:16)
Generally, "playing the prostitute" is a bad thing, but scripture always places the blame on people other than the women themselves. (II Chronicles 21:13 and others)
Proverbs 6:26: "There are six things which Yahweh hates; yes, seven which are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood; a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and he who sows discord among brothers."
We are to seek steadfastness against prostitution, lest we fall into sin (Proverbs 7) but that is a matter of faith and the heart. She lies in wait like a robber (Proverbs 23:27) but even robbers were worthy of redemption on the cross, and so are prostitutes (Jeremiah 3:1).
I always have trouble figuring out what Isaiah means (23:15-18) but he does group adulterers and prostitutes with the world of unbridled sexuality that leads to prostitution of the soul to false gods.
In Jeremiah, Yahweh speaks to Israel figuratively as a prostitute, and probably literally too, but he always takes her back in the end. Again in Ezekiel, he gave Israel everything, then she prostituted herself. But rich, metaphorical Israel is not the same thing as a woman with no job and no education, no man, and kids to feed.
God commands Hosea to go out and love an adultress who had been loved by another. (Hosea 3:3) Hosea further sees prostitution as the consequence of unfaithfulness to god, not its cause (4:13).
"Most certainly I tell you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering into the Kingdom of God before you." Matthew 21:31.
The prodigal son wasted all his money with prostitutes, but was welcomed back. (Luke 15:30)
I Corinthians edicts against male prostitutes. It says your life and soul would be better off if you were not a prostitute. Well, that's pretty obvious, and that's not in question.
"In like manner wasn’t Rahab the prostitute also justified by works, in that she received the messengers, and sent them out another way?" (James 2:25)
Again, the "great prostitute" or mother of prostitutes in Revelation is not an individual person but a spiritual force. Offer people a way out of the grip of that spiritual force, but don't judge them for being human.
posted by
USChristianDemocrats.org editor : May 9, 2007 7:47 PM
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